Humphrey Bogart?

[leoncio]

Hello all, I was talking with a friend of mine the other day when my friend started to list all kind of Bogarts movies. Many ofthem that I have yet to see, but what eluded me the most was that not even my friend could really tell (he is a major noir fan) if this was Bogart or not.


Please help us out there.

Would be such a great help if you could also help me find out what movie it is from. :)

/Leo

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Looks like I cant pot a image here, or maybe that I dont know how to work the forum.
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[Night Editor]

Humphrey Bogart? Hello all, I was talking with a friend of mine the other day when my friend started to list all kind of Bogarts movies. Many of them that I have yet to see, but what eluded me the most was that not even my friend could really tell (he is a major noir fan) if this was Bogart or not. Please help us out there.


I'd say Gary Cooper in 'The Fountain Head'.

NE

[Raven]

You are corrent Mr. Editor and the fellow on the right is Henry Hull. While on Gary Cooper, is it just me or does any one else think he's got to be the worst actor ever?

[Mark]

I agree with you Raven, as I never saw the appeal with Cooper. I think he and Alan Ladd must have shared the same instructor at acting school. I feel the same towards (present day) Kevin Costner, emotionless and blahhhhhhhhh!!!!!

Mark

[Raven]

Mark,

We’ll have to agree to disagree on Ladd. While I’ll grant he’s not the most expressive he was at least cast in a number of very watchable films that solicit many a comment on these pages: This Gun for Hire (from which my screen name comes), The Blue Dahlia, The Great Gatsby, The Glass Key, Chicago Deadline, etc.

Cooper on the other hand couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag and his mangled delivery of dialog was the forerunner to Bogart’s comment about the “mumble and scratch your ass” style of acting he so disliked. Also like Jimmy Stewart, Cooper was completely miscast in several films. What was Cooper in “Sgt. York,” 59 and playing a 20 year old, much like Stewart playing a 24 year old Lindberg in “Spirit of St. Louis” when he was 78! OK, those both may be a bit exaggerated but you get the drift. Lastly, what about Cooper as Lou Gehrig! Other than the physical resemblance to “The Iron Horse,” Cooper throws like a girl and couldn’t hit a baseball out of the infield of a little league game.

[George]

On the subject of actors that couldn't act, does anyone think this about Robert Mitchum? That's what Elzabeth Taylor used to tell him and he seems to sleepwalk through most of his films. Not overly keen on Alan Ladd either although he was good in the Blue Dahlia.

[dax]

I know what you mean about sleepwalking through his films, but I like Mitchum's style. He has a natural tuff guy persona, perfect for noir. I thought he was very good in " The Friends of Eddie Coyle ", and very creepy in " Cape Fear ".

[noirguru]

Are you guys for real? Coop,Mitch and Laddie were movie stars not stage actors!!! If you want Hamlet that's another story!!! Raven, the quote from Bogie, refered to the method actors in Hollywood at the time, Dean, Brando, Clift!!

[Steve-O]

The thing about Ladd, Mitchum and Cooper is that you have to watch their earliest movies. Ladd and Cooper were sex symbols. Then they got older and began phoning it in. Harrison Ford is the Gary Cooper of today. But watch the proto noir City Street and you'll see a movie star. Ladd in This Gun for Hire too. Mitch did get lazy. I knew him from TV crud like The Winds of War before I watched him in Out of the Past. Mitchum criticized Steve McQueen once for not bringing anything to his roles... the irony.

So no, I don't think they were bad actors.

That's definately The Fountainhead. A noirish looking movie.

[Raven]

Noirguru,

I'm all on the side of Ladd and Mitch but solidly stand by my feelings of Cooper. I also realize Bogart was speaking of "method" actors of his time which why I noted Coopers lousy delivery "was the forerunner to Bogart’s comment.”

[noirguru]

The thing about Ladd, Mitchum and Cooper is that you have to watch their earliest movies. Ladd and Cooper were sex symbols. Then they got older and began phoning it in. Harrison Ford is the Gary Cooper of today. But watch the proto noir City Street and you'll see a movie star. Ladd in This Gun for Hire too. Mitch did get lazy. I knew him from TV crud like The Winds of War before I watched him in Out of the Past. Mitchum criticized Steve McQueen once for not bringing anything to his roles... the irony.

So no, I don't think they were bad actors.

That's definately The Fountainhead. A noirish looking movie.
Steve-O, Coop's last film, The Naked Edge(1961) imitation Hitchcock, a second rate suspense noir. Gary, looked tired and drawn, obviously he was a very sick man, yet he gave a good performance when he could have easily phoned it in. Let me ask you, if an actor does phone it in, who's fault is it? The director has to take some of the blame, don't you think?

[Davidmk]

On the subject of actors that couldn't act, does anyone think this about Robert Mitchum? That's what Elzabeth Taylor used to tell him and he seems to sleepwalk through most of his films. Not overly keen on Alan Ladd either although he was good in the Blue Dahlia.



I love Robert mitchum he has become my favorite over the past few months , i watch anything TCM/fox movies plays , i just really enjoy him as an actor , i can see why someone would not like him ,but what he does really "works" for me .... it seems the more of his stuff i see the more i become a fan , even his non-noir stuff like "heaven knows mt allison" just like it .

[Raw Deal]

Even if Mitchum sleepwalked (sleptwalked?)thru all of his other films, all would be forgiven because of NIGHT OF THE HUNTER.