Unfortunately, I bought the Italian DVD of They Won't Believe Me
The runtime is the same 79 minute copy I already have and the quality looks like it's a direct copy of a VHS.
Avoid it!
They Won't Believe Me (1947)
Unfortunately, I bought the Italian DVD of They Won't Believe Me
The runtime is the same 79 minute copy I already have and the quality looks like it's a direct copy of a VHS.
Avoid it!
Oh dear, sorry Steve, Amazon uk listed the run time as 100 mins and I hadn't, and still haven't seen my copy. Sorry.
Last edited by SuperDanX; 04-15-2011 at 06:44 PM.
no worries. I hope to see it at Noir City sometime... that'd be ideal.
Well, the Italians at least do truth in advertising: "Nobody will believe me."
Watched my copy last night, didn't think the picture quality was that bad at all. Film was superbany idea on what was chopped out exactly? I'd recommend it.
I wonder what the run time for They Won't is? I bet it's the chopped version I have a few copies of...Originally Posted by cigar joe
Duration(mins): 95, is what they listed and it didn't seem cut
Nope... it's the cut copy. 80 minutes. Watched it again today... It's the same copy on VHS back in the 80s and available on a Spanish DVD (there's a very old 80s RKO home video logo at the end of the TCM broadcast.) I love the movie but come one.... I know Eddie has the uncut one he shows at Noir City. It's out there but every copy I get is listed as 95 minutes but when you actually watch it it's 80...
Well do you know where the cut sequences are?
From a comment on IMDB from someone that's seen both:
The scenes the viewer mentions aren't in the cut version (I watch it again yesterday so it's fresh in my memory). Still a one-of-a-kind noir...The shortened re-release version (which I viewed in a colourized copy) has been cleverly edited to leave the plot intact, but with 15 minutes of cuts significant elements of character development (all-important in a film of this type) have been sacrificed. The deletion of part of the scene at Nicks dilutes the initial warmth of the relationship between the Young and Jane Greer characters. And a concert scene which shows up the petulant nature of the Susan Hayward character has been deleted altogether. Other elements deleted from the re-release print are some of the opening remarks made by Frank Ferguson, and some dialogue between Young and Hayward when they are in his car on the way to her apartment.
They Won't Believe Me (1947)
Director Irving Pichel, with Susan Hayward as Verna Carlson, Robert Young as Larry Balantine, Jane Greer as Janice Bell, Rita Johnson as Greta Balantine. Writers: Jonathan Latimer (screenplay), based on a Gordon McDonell story.
Its the type of a tale that you would expect James M. Cain to pen. Its about this philandering husband (Young) unhappily married to a possessive millionairess (Johnson) who gets involved with two other women Janice (Greer) and Verna (Hayward). Young has a job in a brokerage firm as a stockbroker because of his wife's position in life, he married for money and found out that its not all there is. He falls for Janice a fellow broker and carries on an affair with her, and when Janice is transferred to Montreal he decides to go with her, but he finds it hard to break away from his wife's money teat, his wife finds out his plans, she threatens to cut him off, and subsequently decides to sell the house and arrange to have his job transferred to Los Angeles. On the very day he is supposed to meet Janice at the station, Larry & Greta board a train to LA.
Larry with Janice and far right Greta
In LA, Larry tries to change his tune but he is smitten by the attention payed to him a very cute Verna (Hayward) who wraps him around her finger, they fall in love. Once again Greta finds out and once again sells the house and moves Larry away to a remote ranch up in the Sierras with no phone and the nearest town a good drive away. Before the move Verna gives Larry the ultimatum her or me, Larry again picks the money, and Verna storms off.
Larry meets Verna
Hayward eye candy
For awhile Larry and Greta seem to reconcile, they spend the days riding about the ranch and the evenings with each other, Greta decides to build a guesthouse and sends Larry to LA to meet with an architect. Before he goes he calls Verna from a general store and tells her to meet him at their old meeting place if she is still interested in him. She does and they rekindle their affair. Larry cooks up a scheme to swindle Greta out of $25,000 using Verna. Meanwhile Janice shows up now working at the LA branch of the brokerage firm.
Larry & Hayward in a cute two piece bathing suit on the way to the Reno divorce
As you'd expect everything goes to hell leading to tragedy (and a terrific twist ending). Young excels in his unsympathetic role as a cad, Johnson does wonders with her scenes as his overbearing wife, and Hayward is exceptionally enticing in her very forward way of pursuing Larry. This is more of a Film Gris than a Films de la nuit (Hard Core Noir) on my scale of things. Still it is a entertaining viewing 7/10 caught it on TCM, I've heard from Steve-O that some of it is cut and that there is a full version of this shown only at Noir City events. It seems to flow ok but it would be nice to see it complete, worth trying to find.
Last edited by cigar joe; 04-01-2012 at 08:50 AM.
CJ, I could never like this film because the ending is too unbelievable! I don't think Cain, would give us such a phony surprise ending!
I love the crazy ending... surprises me every time. May be unbelievable but man it works for me.
[review from June 5, 2011]
Lots of fun with the "unreliable narrator" motif. Right off the bat you're set up to doubt what we're about to hear, and throughout the film you're wondering how much of Robert Young's story is truth. Young is the finest I've ever seen him, playing an absolute heel who doesn't quite know (or does he?) how much of a heel he is. The three women in his life -- Susan Hayward, Jane Greer, and Rita Johnson -- are all top-notch as well, none of them portraying simple archetypes. It's not a film that screams greatness, and at first it seems rather ho-hum. But after a while you realize how well it's working on you, and despite seeming familiar you've never really sure where it's going to go next. The ending in particular has a completely unexpected turn. Rating: 8
I really like this, very underrated, + Jane Greer ❤❤❤
OK... I did get my dirty hands on the uncut copy (more like 92 or 93 minutes than IMDB's listed 95) and wow. Did they chop the hell out of it. There's a major scene just sliced out. The uncut makes Robert Young much more sleazy and self absorbed. Susan Hayward also has some zingers removed. I'll have to do a NOTW on it but I'll say that Young's relationship with Greer is a lot more inappropiate (and flirty) and his affair with Hayward leaves no doubt that they're getting it on. Robert Young comes across somewhat innocent -- and even downright goofy-- in the cut version. Possibly because they cut out some of the juicy stuff with his girlfriends?
Maybe that's why the choice Robert Young makes at the ending of the cut version seems less believable?
I don't know if I can positively say that the uncut version makes the end (of Young) more believable. But he does come across as the most self-centered character in noir I've ever seen -- and as I say even more so in the unedited version. The end is certainly a selfish act. I mean this is a guy that -- on finding out that the woman he ran away with and possibly loved-- was killed immediately started a plan to collect insurance money from it; and felt no remorse at all when he found his wife dead... it was all about him. There are some nasty moments -- Young sending his wife's ashes "back east" without even a service for her as he's walking out of the hospital... one cold character.
Wow, I think I would like that. I mean, if a character is going to be cold and heartless, why not go all out? Imagine the villainesses in Decoy or Detour being edited down to take away some of their worse moments-no fun. It is definitely more enjoyable seeing Young in this kind of role-previously always thinking of him as "Father Knows Best."
I guess I think what Young does is a little more believable than what we learn after, but of course it is terrific irony. Don't think this has shown at Noir City Chicago-unless it was the first year. Would love to see it there.
Let's get the bad news out of the way first. TCM for all the good it does for classic films – airs a butchered version of the RKO noir They Won't Believe Me!
Instead of the 95 minutes watching a man behave badly we're stuck with a neutered lead not really doing anything all that wrong. The cut 80-minute one turns a top-shelf film noir into a watered-down flim flam. Cutting 15 minutes from a film can do that – especially if the cuts were designed to remove all the “immoral” decisions in it. Hell, the 80-minute cut should be shown before the full version to film students as a lesson on how a bad edit can ruin a film.
And I know this may annoy some – but the uncut version isn't easy to find and watch. Former home video releases of They Won't Believe Me! and even the fairly recent Italian DVD release of the noir are all 80 minutes (despite labels) – and they look like the same print TCM airs frequently. Even TCMs site lists the movie as running 95 minutes. Clock it when it airs tomorrow and you'll see what I mean. It ain't. Or better yet – don't watch it and wait for Noir City to roll into town and see it on the big screen in it's entirety. The uncut version is sometimes screened by Eddie Muller (at Noir City). Video pirates can find the full version on the “gray market” online.
There is some hope for the rest: Noir fans at the Back Alley mention that the WB Archive wants to release the full version on DVD but apparently they have some issues with the original print (as of right now). If they did release it it'd be one that would be snagged up by true film nuts. It's a film that would have fit perfectly on the (now apparently abandoned) WB Film Noir DVD box sets that they used to put out. It's a better movie than most of the ones they included on the last few sets.
The film
The plot is a variation of Double Indemnity. And I mean that as a compliment. It fits nicely with A pictures like Double Indemnity and The Postman Always Rings Twice but retains that RKO look and feel (slightly cheap and gritty with familiar actors peppering the edges). That would include Out of the Past released 1/2 a year after They Won't Believe Me!
Robert Young plays Larry Ballentine -- a young playboy who marries rich. He finds himself bored with is wife and begins an inappropriate relationship with one of his wife's friends (Jane Greer). When we first are introduced to Larry and Janice it's in a courtroom with Larry on trial for murder. It quickly moves to a flashback showing the two on a Saturday afternoon meetup at a New York City bar. They drink crazy frozen drinks that you'd never think about ordering when you're alone. They're flirty and touchy – as they discuss their plans to build a boat together. (The unedited cut shows that this relationship is clearly more than friendship, but the damned re-edit makes it look like Larry is kinda slow and is only interested in the toy boat not one of the “queens of film noir” batting her doe eyes next to him.)
Larry – after downing a few drinks – stumbles home to be confronted by his wife's aunt and friends who think he's a heal. His wife, for a change, is actually beautiful and very understanding. You'd expect the old battle axe like Edward G. Robinson's missis in Scarlet Street. She's actually quite a catch – refined and rich, yes. But understanding and tolerant of her untrustworthy husband. He doesn't see it that way.
Things happen and the next week he tells her he's leaving her for Janice. Greta (Rita Johnson) convinces him otherwise and Janice is out of the picture.
Larry continues to work for his wife's company. He's only there because his wife owns a sizable share of it. He is lazy --as expected --and not liked by his partner Trenton (familiar face Tom Powers.) Underling Verna Carlson catches Larry's eye one day. Before he can finish a voice over talking about how he's been “too close to the flame and is now power shy when it comes to beautiful women” he's asking her what kind of perfume she likes. Verna (Susan Hayward) is another unique twist on a film noir character. She's a gold digger for sure. But she admits it. And the second she doesn't get her way with Larry she starts something up with his pug face (and probably also married) partner Trenton. Ruthless but she never becomes the femme fatale you'd expect. In fact, there's no true murder in the movie (if you can believe the possibly unreliable witness telling the story). There's shattered lives and suicide thanks to Larry's selfish, heartless nature. But no real crime. I kept waiting for Verna to talk Larry into killing his wife. Instead, she turns out to be fairly decent – like the other two woman in the film. Only Larry is the letch.
There are some nice visual touches in the movie and the final scene at the farm house with the horse is a jolt. I would guess you could credit camera man Harry J. Wild for most of the film's look – he certainly shot his share of noir including Pitfall, Nocturne, Station West, The Threat, His Kind of Woman and many, many more. Director/actor Irving Pichel didn't do anything remarkable in the film-noir world outside of this one (which is great), but turned out the enjoyable Quicksand in 1950.
The cast of They Won't Believe Me! Is strong. Robert Young is remembered by men of a certain age as Marcus Welby, M.D. Here he's quite good as the playboy with a wandering eye. Jane Greer is only months away before Out of the Past is released. She's at the height of her beauty. Finally Susan Hayward is given some of the best lines. She's quite something when she's trying to reel in Larry by cutting down his rich wife and flashing a smile that is so suggestive it should be illegal – only Gilda's hair flip is more powerful. Hayward and Young's best bits are exorcised from the 80 minute cut including a kiss at the opera (with Larry's wife not too far away.)
Noir of the Week has been going for seven years now. There aren't many top shelf noirs we haven't talked about yet. This is one. They Won't Believe Me! Is a good stiff drink if you can find a bar that serves it straight up.
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